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exactly. When people talk about amazing hit rates, it's only if one is being very picky and waiting for IOI's etc. If one just approaches every super hot girl they see, they can have amazing 'game' and get rejected 100 times in a row easily
/r/seduction20/08/26 01:27 PM
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only if you are approaching off of strong IOI's. Otherwise it's more like 5-10% as professional coaaches show in their infield. Doesn't matter how 'good 'you are if you are not her type or she's got a serious BF
/r/seduction20/08/26 01:14 PM
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I agree that if one is tall, fit and handome they will get rejected less. Add to that they only approach girls who give IOIs (are attracted) as you suggest, then yes, the hit rate will actually be extremely high. 50x better than pro coaches who just approach every hot girl they see and then try to use game to make them attracted. I agree with you tbh. My hit rate when girls give mne IOIs or approach me is like 90%+
/r/seduction19/08/26 06:58 AM
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there's not been a tonne of them (continious uncut). Most are way too scared to show the reality and it would hurt their busienss model. But they do indeed show you that it's 100% a numbers game. One was posted here from youtube last week that maybe you saw? (search alex Leon on youtube) Kong from simple pickup posted one once from their premium product. It was nothing like his cherry picked infields he'd previously shown. It was uncut, and he got about 20 rejections in a row. Mostly instant and…
/r/seduction18/08/26 07:26 AM
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makes sense. I've never seen my very handsome friend approached in the day. At most, i've seen cashiers flirt outrageously when he's paying for his fuel or whatever. But at night in bars, it's a different game! He gets hit approached a lot Just nightlife making girls brave, I guess
/r/seduction18/08/26 06:56 AM
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cold reads is the PUA answer. 'You look like you are into art?' or something. Works when tehy are interested in you and social as with all tech
/r/seduction17/08/26 08:08 PM
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Lots of dudes who travel to South East Asia come back with so many stories that sound unreal lol. It's like playing on tutorial mode in comparison to what most guys are used too. I felt like a young Brad Pitt lol. In fact, more and more PUA coaches seem to be turning to different forms of passport game. Lots of the pickup channels I subscribe too on youtube are doing it/have done it/plan to move
/r/seduction17/08/26 06:17 PM
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I really don't think so. One of my best friends is exceptionally good looking (not especially jacked though) and he gets approached so so much on nights out by women shooting their shot at him. So i'm gonna have to say 'no way' just based on what i've seen with him
/r/seduction17/08/26 03:02 PM
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happened quite a few times. The most obvious one that springs to mind is eddie from street attraction banging a teenage girl. Caused a shit storm. Tom torerror, too. Banged a young teenager in Russia or something. Both filmed audio of the bedroom encounter as well as vid of the whole interaction leading to that point. Tom's one caused his to be demonitized and blasted all over the papers which likely played a role in his suicide. Street attraction were canceled, too. Theres been many others. I'v…
/r/seduction17/08/26 02:15 PM
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Why is it always the UK where this stuff seems like a huge deal? Like when the BBC expose on pickup artists involving 'street attraction' in London a few years back basically destroyed the whole community for a while and nuked all PUA's youtubes lol. UK people must really NOT like talking to strangers lol. Super hard mode
/r/seduction17/08/26 10:38 AM
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Most methods (with the exception of direct game) are basically mysterymethod that's what a famous PUA blogger called 'yareally' said
/r/seduction16/08/26 08:20 PM
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it's more about the girl than you. You need to find girls who are naturally social with strangers (in some cultures that rare) as well as girls who are single and somewhat attracted to you. It's a huge huge numbers game. If there was a special trick, technique or line, we'd all do it lol. Even the top coaches get ignored a hell of a lot
/r/seduction16/08/26 05:30 PM
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i could get it for you for way cheaper. I have access too a special group
/r/seduction16/08/26 12:58 PM
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I don't think it's even a blackpill belief as such nowadays. Dating coaches themselves (even ones who have been about for ages like Jeffy and more recent coaches like coach kyle) have admitted that you really can't just create attraction in any girl you want kind of thing. Jeffy said many girls will 'price you out' (his words) if you're not her type at all to the point your 'game'/confidence won't move the needle and coach kyle said 'of course if you look like $hit to her tastes you won't get he…
/r/seduction15/08/26 05:59 PM
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they also don't get rejected because they asked questions instead of making cold reads or didn't use negs, or didn't use pushpull or whatever. A rejection just means that either she's single or you're just not her type (no attraction). It's not in your control
/r/seduction15/08/26 05:32 PM
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No idea why he deleted it. Maybe he thought I was calling him out for getting a new username or something? Which I wasn't of coruse lol. Just curious where his old account went. I don't care about him getting a new account! But yeah, the blog was: https://coffeedaygame. blog/2026/01/02/advanced-daygame-statistics/
/r/seduction15/08/26 05:12 PM
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did you other account get nuked? I recognise that coffee blog but remember a different username
/r/seduction15/08/26 01:42 PM
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you don't get feedback from a rejection though, really. Was it that you smiled too much? not enough? Or his approach angle was too accute? or maybe too obtuse? or the other unlimited number of potential variables lol. All you really learn is that that particular girl wasn't interetsed. There's likely nothing he needs to change.
/r/seduction15/08/26 01:17 PM
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As you say your confidence is through the roof. Thats awseome. That's what 'game' is. Confidence. You also have no approach anxiety. Brilliant. You WILL get results at some point, but you don't control whether the girls are single and attracted to you. ('confidence' is supposed to be the part of 'game' that makes her attracted and you already have taht so nothing else to do in that department). It takes the coaches a hell of a lot of approaches until they get an interaction worthy of uploading b…
/r/seduction15/08/26 01:14 PM
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todds game is very easy to replicate. Especially if you've watched his courses (where he gives lines for each technioque to go out and use). But I think the other guy gets better results with his 'natural game'. I feel like for all of todds 'theory' and application, he's still really just at the mercy of whether she likes him or not. Todds most recent infields make me think the outergame stuff he teaches doesn't actually help him tbh lol. It's like evne the girls can see through him as he does h…
/r/seduction14/08/26 10:27 PM
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he deffo has some vids where he tells her she's hot straight after she replies to him asking for directions or something. Like 'hey, do you know where the starbucks is?', she tells him, and then he says 'I just thought you were insanely hot' I like his game though. If you can call it that? I mean, its NOTHING lkie Todd V and stuff where you can see them applying all of their techniques like a checklist. That guy doesn't really do any pushpull, disqualificaiotn, negs etc. He doesn't even teach th…
/r/seduction14/08/26 09:57 PM
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Presence Over Mechanics: Over-analyzing conversational rules—such as counting questions or forcing "cold reads"—creates anxiety and disrupts natural flow. Genuine curiosity and being present in the moment are more effective than adhering to rigid "game" checklists Value Demonstration: True value is demonstrated through interaction and self-reflection rather than bragging or forced demonstrations of high value (DHVs). If one is secure, their qualities will naturally become apparent without the ne…
/r/seduction14/08/26 08:25 PM
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depends on the girl. For some younger girls (16-22 say) you being over 26 or whatever is a deal breaker. You are just seen as 'old' (not sexy). There's nothing you can do about that. But it's certainly not ALL young girls. As with everything in cold approach, it's a numbers game. In this case, you need to play the numbers until you find the young girls for whom you being older isn't an issue
/r/seduction14/08/26 05:38 PM
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a therapist isn't gonna stop girls rejecting you haha.
/r/seduction10/08/26 05:49 PM
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She MUST think you are 'fuckable' I agree, but this is why I never got the idea of learning from rejections which people always say. I think the only thing you learn is that you weren't her type and you probably didn't do anything 'wrong'. In fact, it's hard to do game 'wrong', because every coach disagrees so much that you are almost certainly doing it 'right' according too at least a handful of coaches no matter how you approach (within reason haha. But them exceptions shouldn't even apply to …
/r/seduction10/08/26 05:46 PM
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Honestly after many years, countless of approaches, and finally getting what I wanted, I can say it doesn’t take much more than what you did. this. It's just overcomplicated for marketing reasons.
/r/seduction10/08/26 11:50 AM
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One line i've heard a hell of a lot of guys use nowadays on girls is 'beauty is common...what more do you have going for you than your looks to make me interested in you' soon after the opener
/r/seduction07/08/26 04:43 PM
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that's what's funny about the groups. I swear a lot of the time the idea backfires so much. Lots of girls LOVE red flags. They LOVE preselection (by the groups nature, these guys have tonnes of girls who dated them). They LOVE good looking bad boys who break hearts. I imagine a lot of these guys get hella DM's from girls looking to hookup who are only aware of them from these groups lol ps - there's almost an endemic of prisoners banging young female prison guards at the moment in my country. It…
/r/seduction05/08/26 06:54 PM
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If a woman isn't interested in you when you approach them, move on to the next one but learn from the approach so if you were too approach her again, you'd get her
/r/seduction04/08/26 10:21 PM
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i'm in Europe. Bars here are full of 18 year old girls and men from 18-50 are hitting on them lol
/r/seduction04/08/26 09:34 PM
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TEAMS of script writers working together over days for each great comeback line
/r/seduction04/08/26 09:33 PM
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I'm not sure about the whole 'learning' thing. We're dealing with people. You can approach a girl who happens to be very attracted to you and do everything "wrong" and get the girl. You can do everything as the books say and she isn't into you in the slightest because you're just not her type. I think it's so easy to just be fooled by randomness. I think if anything, 'practice' more means that over time you just have less anxiety about the situation making it easier to present your 'best self'. …
/r/seduction04/08/26 09:29 PM
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That's why even the best coaches and guides strike out. Preferences exist. I don't think some people realise just how much these 'experts' strike out lol. I don't think their rejection rate is better than an average guy on the street. The 'skill' element more comes into play in terms of dealing with obstacles and not messing up when you are fortunate enough to approach a girl who is attracted to you There's been some vids released where you can see continous, uncut sessions from apparent PUA god…
/r/seduction04/08/26 07:31 PM
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Stock market analysts always have an explanation post factum yes lol. This happens in field reports here too. If someone does x it's 'oh you should have done y'. If they make a new report and do Y it's 'Oh, you should have done x'.
/r/seduction04/08/26 08:28 AM
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I think it might be more about low interest girls who are more just swiping on random guys who have no interest in taking it anywhere vs high interest girls A few years after tinder came out me and my friend swapped phones one night just to look at each others tinder and stuff when we were drunk. He was a lot more successful than me so it was probably my idea lol. But I remember realising his texts were quite boring and not really 'better' than mine at all. (In fact, mine were all carefully craf…
/r/seduction04/08/26 08:24 AM
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Don't know who lied to you about this....lol I've read it so many times on this sub. I obviously don't believe it, but mentioned it to pre-empt everyone saying 'girls aren't visual. It's not his looks' too avoid it getting sidetracked from the discussion of verbally flirting with lots of PUA techniques vs just a cheeky smile or wahtever like my friend. Same effect, really Even on that big thread yesterday that got deleted it was said many times. Game is flirting yes yes, that's what i'm getting …
/r/seduction03/08/26 09:03 PM
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. My advice is to not force your "fliritng" do you think this applies to cold appraoch, too? Sometimes I think you can approach a girl who thinks you're kinda cute. You could do lots of pushpull lines, use a we frame, disqualify her, try to think of things you can tease her about etc etc and it go great. But you could also just literally give her a certain flirty look with your eyes and achieve the same thing, no? (I think of this sometimes when I see my flatmate pull girls. He's a pretty good l…
/r/seduction03/08/26 06:21 PM
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How? By escalating. Tease and flirt with her, be lightly polarizing by bantering with her. Then look at her reaction. what would you tease and flirt with her about? what would you asay?
/r/seduction03/08/26 09:04 AM
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For as much as a game stan I am I got to the same conclusion that whenever game “works” is because you hit on a chick that liked you and there were good logistics to pull. Everything i see from my own interactions, friends interactions and even coaches, tells me you are right. And I don't like it! lol
/r/seduction02/08/26 09:27 PM
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I remember back in the day when I was just newly introduced to MM, I used the same opening “real quick, who lies more…” then one of the girls just said “oh I’ve heard this before!” LoL. I heard of that happening lots back in the day. I read that's why RSD decided to drop all canned game and go natural. But MysteryMethod is so old that the women who'd have heard it will be at home knitting. It's their grand daughters in the bars now who will never have heard of it. Not to mention that MM isn't po…
/r/seduction02/08/26 08:57 PM
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Learn to sing and go to a karaoke b I actually already go kareoke bars and am a good singer haha. Unfortunately is doesn't = sexual attraction. But it's all good. I just keep approaching (I do get lucky from time to time thankfully but it could take me many hundreds of approaches) and trying and accept that life is different for the lucky handsome SOBs lol
/r/seduction02/08/26 09:31 AM
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They say 'looks get your foot in the door' or something like that. And 'game' is for converting that attraction into something. So I guess it depends how you look at it. Also, even if you aren't conventionally good looking, there's deffo some girls out there who will still think you are very hot/handsome. And they are the girls who your game will work on. So one would need to play the numbers more than the good looking dudes
/r/seduction02/08/26 08:14 AM
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got to youtube and you'll find lots of videos of young women saying the exact opposite to you and that good looks are essential for THEM girls to be interetsed.
/r/seduction02/08/26 08:03 AM
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I had an acquaintance who's slept with hundreds of women because he's a stupidly handsome personal trainer. He's also 5'8 and skinny. Not a Chad? Same as one of my best friends. He's not a 'chad' because he's not over 6ft or whatever, but he has legit male model good looks and has banged hunreds of extrmeely pretty young girls all due to his face alone lol
/r/seduction01/08/26 10:53 PM
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but she doesn’t seem to like me in that way even though I make her laugh a lot and I’ve had a massive appearance glow up. Is it possible to make a girl go from friendly to actually liking me? I don't think so. As you've seen (and as i've seen) you can make a girl laugh. You can TEASE her and use pushpull and do all the stuff in the PUA courses, but it doesn't actually make her attracted. I've found girls can even think you are extremely confident, but they still will have zero sexual attraction …
/r/seduction01/08/26 10:43 PM
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it's basically always online nowadays. There was a thread here recently which confirmed it. 99% of guys who get laid on this sub and other seduction places are getting laid from tinder. Cold approach is low odds because you might approach girls who do'nt tihnk you''re hot and so it's like a guaranteed rejection even if you've read all teh seduction books and have 'game'. With tinder, if she swipes right, she thinks you're hot lol.
/r/seduction01/08/26 08:58 PM
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nailed it
/r/seduction31/07/26 09:27 PM
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The community is somewhat dead. There used to be lots of PUA forums and stuff and they've nearly all gone now. I think the belief in 'game' (the idea that you can make someone attracted if you say the right words etc) has completely gone. And that belief in part makes people think 'I may as well just use tinder then' Cold approach itself was probably always somewhat niche, although i'd imagine it's become even less common. For one, The world just isn't quite as social as maybe it once was? It's …
/r/seduction31/07/26 07:16 PM
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you've posted quite a few Field reports now. I don't think the game stuff has been helping you. Maybe drop it and just be normal/natural. It's clear that teasing or any other concept doesn't actually make a girl suddenyl find you sexually attractive
/r/seduction31/07/26 10:36 AM
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or stay in the same category if you prefer acting like you're not interested in her. that's supposed to actually make them chase according to lots of coaches. Ignore girls to make them interested in you...like cats
/r/seduction29/07/26 09:41 PM
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But women don't take it as a compliment. they do if they think you're hot/handsome. I think this stuff is more about luck/chance overall. There's girls out there somewhere who want us and you need to turn over a lot of rocks to find them
/r/seduction28/07/26 12:13 PM
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I guess it works if the girl in question thinks you are above average looking. I mean, not every girl has 'typical' taste, maybe But i'm pretty convinced at this point that you really can't cultivate attraction in a girl using the stuff we all read and try (the techniques).
/r/seduction27/07/26 07:14 PM
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that's all this sub seems to be. Apparent 'experts' who when questioned about something just seem to doge it again and again. Maybe just a coach who is actually no more successful than you, fishing for business
/r/seduction27/07/26 07:08 PM
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it doesn't sound like he's running what people like Todd V would call 'game' (the way OP he describes his convos is the complete opposite to Todd), so the attraction is coming from somewhere else maybe
/r/seduction24/07/26 07:29 PM
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What about NEUTRAL girls? Do they just not exist? Interesting are you 'netural' on girls out of interest? maybe me and you are just different, but I can honestly say I put girls into 'would love to bang' and 'not interetsed in having sex with them' when i lay eyes on them. I don't have a 'neutral' category
/r/seduction24/07/26 06:43 PM
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of course! nothing wrong with just wanting to bang someone super hot, evne if they are not nice All you can do is show some intent and see if she's into you or not.
/r/seduction24/07/26 06:25 PM
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I’d rather choose one imperfect approach and practice it hundreds of times than keep reading contradictory advice about direct vs. indirect, observations, pickup lines, etc. I think you have to accept that there is no consensus and you will always get VERY different advice from apparent experts. One coach will say that in an interaction the thigns you MUST do are, for example, do cold reads, tease her, disqualify her, use a 'we frame' where you talk about 'us' and tonnes of other things And a di…
/r/seduction24/07/26 06:11 PM
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some nice girls there!
/r/seduction24/07/26 06:08 PM
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how did it happen? did they come on to you?
/r/seduction24/07/26 04:05 PM
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the whole community seems to do online stuff way more now. Other pickup forums and stuff i've read, it seems people are only getting laid with tinder etc. I guess it's just more efficient. You are 'approaching' many girls in an hour with just swiping. I guess there's really not any difference. The girls who swipe back are the same girls who would be receptive to your approach and visa versa
/r/seduction24/07/26 08:34 AM
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what is your attraction material/method mainly? Imagine you are considered a 2/10 in looks and for whatever reason, you HAVE to seduce the gorgeous 10/10 girl you just met otherwise your dog dies lol How do you make her attracted. Would it be basically the stuff everyone here tries? (teasing, pushpull etc from coaches like Todd V?) or something else? (how would it look in practice/verbally. e.g Todd says 'you look like trouble' a hell of a lot)
/r/seduction22/07/26 05:32 PM
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why are the other instructos SO MUCH less 'gamey' than Todd? But they all get the same results, seemingly (kind of hit and miss) Whenever I watch them all, I start to even doubt game a bit lol (or at least the idea that there's right and wrong or things you need to do or not do). Todd seems to work a million times harder than the others for the same results but I guess End of day it all works. It's maybe more about approaching until you find the girl you have chemistry and mutual attraction with
/r/seduction22/07/26 09:47 AM
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definitely agree to disagree haha
/r/seduction21/07/26 09:01 PM
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no way lol
/r/seduction21/07/26 08:50 PM
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the answer is that you need both.(phsyical attraction but being super weird and having bad game wo'nt cut it. And teasing girls and using 'game' won't help at all if there's absolutely no physical attraction and you are way older, fatter, and balder than what she goes for)
/r/seduction21/07/26 01:40 PM
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it's both. You need physical attraction AND game. One without the other is not enough (unless you are a giga chad which is rare. He can get away with zero game and steal all our girls but them guys are SO rare lol)
/r/seduction21/07/26 01:37 PM
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in Max's case, he literally took her home without speaking to her lol. Not just the instant makeout (which is all i've ever got in terms of not having to speak)
/r/seduction20/07/26 09:34 PM
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I think the consensus amongst coaches nowadays is more that 'looks get your foot in the door, but you still need game to seal the deal'
/r/seduction20/07/26 07:57 PM
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MaxRSD pulled without saying a word in one of his infields lol. I've had instant makeouts, so I guess an instant bang could happen sometimes if you were good looking enough and she was adventurous enough
/r/seduction20/07/26 07:43 PM
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exactly lol
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:37 PM
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of course. Because the lines (based on whatever armchair theory) don't work.
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:20 PM
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how does a girl speak to you to make you attracted to her?
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:19 PM
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every handsome guy I know crushes it, so can't really relate to that tbh
/r/seduction20/07/26 02:37 PM
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If the lines are cingey isn't that the fault of the person who writes the book? (the writer has bad game, thus his lines are cringey?)
/r/seduction20/07/26 02:36 PM
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hitting the gym. Improving fashion. Smelling nice
/r/seduction20/07/26 08:16 AM
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it's just basic social kills, really. I read lots of the pickup books and realised it was all so obvious ("if she tells you something try to relate too it" etc). I think 'game' is basically something that everyone already has, but some people maybe grew up extremely socially stunted, so they need to 'learn game' to get them up to the same level as everyone else kind of thing
/r/seduction19/07/26 08:17 PM
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this is like old school classic game? I gather that modern game is much more just be yourself and don't use any scripted lines or force any techniques kind of thing. RSD type stuff. 'natural' ALlthough Mystery still teaches this and he says he's still crushing it with his students
/r/seduction17/07/26 10:25 PM
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agree
/r/seduction16/07/26 02:50 PM
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However, when you strip away terminology, it is basically humans communicating with each other at the end of the day, no more, no less. I had the same sort of thought recently. That all it really is is basic social skills that lots of people already have and don't need to 'learn'. My social skills were already 'ok ish' and maybe that's why I I've not felt like i've really 'learnt' anything new or that excited me in all the books i've read so far. You can give simply agreeing with a girl a fancy …
/r/seduction16/07/26 02:23 PM
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As much as I dislike that claviular guy, I think it's a bit cheeky for coaches to try to use one clip of him getting rejected like i've seen coaches doing on youtube. For one they seem to forget that there's compilations all over youtube of these coaches themselves also getting rejected lots but they don't want to think about that of course Not to mention that they don't talk about the footage of clavicular making out with like 5 absolutely stunning girls in a row. As I say, it feels like both s…
/r/seduction14/07/26 09:14 PM
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yes, I think the real solution is to approach in extreme amounts if one wants to get some results. You need to put the odds in your favor. Kind of like a slot machine
/r/seduction14/07/26 03:34 PM
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Both sides are lying (the blackpillers who claim you need to be a 10/10 in looks to get success and the coaches who tell you a pack of lies about how looks don't matter and if you buy their course and use their methods you can clean up)
/r/seduction14/07/26 03:22 PM
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Man I was talking too a girl last night who sounds so similar. She's a pretty girl, my brothers girlfriends friend. She was simping hard over some guy she's been seeing who is using her for sex and she was talking about her other ex's and stuff and it's just a lineup of hardcore criminals lol. Some serious crimes in there I don't think there's anything you can do though. You can't just put on a leather jacket and start swearing more lol. You can't pretend to be a truly dark, 'bad' character like…
/r/seduction12/07/26 05:36 PM
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they're probably using pushpull lines etc
/r/seduction06/07/26 05:59 PM
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just general good looks I guess. We have a good looking mechanic at my job and all the girls have been obsessed with him from the moment they saw him
/r/seduction02/07/26 09:15 PM
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good post
/r/seduction02/07/26 03:51 PM
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