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try chat gpt'ing it. It's just a concept around influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:46 PM
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or buy the book?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 10:22 PM
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i feel you aren't considering that where it was posted isn't where the data is from. try the comment section.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:17 PM
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yes they just hold onto and try to protect their power.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:03 PM
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oh probably. as a chad i got sa'd a few times. as an overweight kid i got ghosted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:00 PM
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because a supportive community is what this life long incel needs, because he's too ugly to get a woman maybe he can find some friends to pity him instead. How sad! Welcome to the real world. It turns out that if you're ugly you also have a harder time finding who give a shit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:54 PM
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then you're blind it's right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:49 PM
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that's the subreddit, the data was from ok cupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:49 PM
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its not that they see equality as misandrist, it's that women want equity not equality. So when men advocate for equality women scream misogyny. They point out that this is two faced and manipulative. Women stand for equity but ask for equality. When you treat women as equals they get triggered.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:33 PM
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Literally the first result is the graph from the published book. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=messages+received+by+attractiveness+percentile you arent even trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:31 PM
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it does. don't you watch drama tv, chads are holding bitches accountable every day now. did you hear about the bachelorette. ladies yall are fuckkkked.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:08 PM
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yes, that's what I said as well. that's not new and in line with what I have said. So we agree there. whats manipulative about that is they also send 1/3 to women, which women don't do to men. Because they do not start messaging men until the 80th percentile. As demonstrated by messages received per week by attractiveness percentile. men show that 1/3 interest linearly according to womens attractiveness percentile, then their messages become non linear to the most attractive. Women are different…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:07 PM
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i told you what to search many times. messages received by attractiveness percentile. It's literally the easiest thing in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:25 PM
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ive quoted it, dataclysm. you can just google the chart its well published. I talked about it from the beginning so you are just arguing and saying the data is wrong and look stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:13 PM
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there are different stats and facts that show different things. I brought up a stat or a fact that looks at measured engagement and came to a different conclusion than one that came from swipe data or whatever else it is. They are two different things. I can absolutely say men below the 80 percentile measuredly get no engagement via messages received data. Because that's what the data shows. You can try to dismiss it with different data measuring different things, but that doesn't make what I sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:07 PM
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Sorry, "statistically near zero". 0.001 messagse a week is like one an eternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:04 PM
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I quoted dataclysym and the graphs in it directly, written by the cofounder of ok cupid. I urge you to read the book and come back to me. It's far more detailed than the now sanitized blogs they sanitized in post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:21 PM
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100% agreed. too many red pilled men know. at least 90%+ now. Even the turbo incels i grew up with are now turning. There was only 2 men i knew left and they're still holding out. And they're still 35 year old virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:17 PM
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they're obviously going to be really biased and frame it as a fringe movement. When in actuality every male i know mid thirties is full red pilled. Most got hard red pilled early 20s. It's only the incels who are still blue pilled. It's an unfortunate reality that people are red pilled by experience. Some get radicalized by misinformation but most end up somewhere in the middle. Though purple is red without the fringe minorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:13 PM
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those who do not understand power say 'hot guys be assholes to women!' those who understand power see 'hot guy has power and can act like he has power'. these men just aren't used to seeing men wield power over women. But chad has power over women. Women want chad to have power over them because chad makes them feel safe. Women get icked out when they socially dominate the incels. They're so socially retarded. Chad isn't being an asshole, chad is being a good chad and a bad incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:09 PM
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it goes directly against the red pill teachings. victimhood is by definition anti red pill, that's a black pill take. It's logically not possible for it to be red pill because it's contrary to the red pill mindset & values.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:30 PM
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yet its easy to google messages received by attractiveness percentile and see which men actually get messages from women. For instance messages received per week by attractiveness percentile. That tells you who women are actually messaging and who men are actually messaging. And it shows exactly what i said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:29 PM
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none of that is red pill though, another bad faith manipulative lilith take.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:28 PM
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ya but when you say things like that you just red pill more men. you do a better job red pilling them then the data ever did. just because its old doesn't make it wrong. you in fact need to disprove that it still works that way because that's the measured status quo. So you use a thin statistical margin of error that this has deviated over time to dismiss the whole. It's manipulation. Good job red pilling more and more men toaster, you're doing a great job!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:20 PM
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he co founder of ok Cupid wrote that 80% of men are kissless touchless virgins? your words, not mine. I see you are a very manipulative woman and I will stop here. good day mam!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:08 PM
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not interested in specifics. You can see most red pill talking points are backed by studies, yet there are seas of blue pilled women who use a variety of fallacies to manipulate and frame the discussion away from the facts which cannot be ignored. No i do not need to provide specific facts. You can just see this in every thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:05 PM
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Hey man just read brene browns work, she's the expert. And yeah, men get fucked for being vulnerable. She measured it. Lots of narccicism out there, and lots of bpd women out there. women do very often respond negatively to male vulnerability. you can just look at how blue pilled women respond to red pill men here. they even try to frame stating facts about dating as men complaining. gaslighting out in the open. This is how women ACTUALLY respond to mens vulnerability. You just need to go throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:03 PM
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because it's not luck. You can just appeal to what is attractive and that just works. You had no luck because you had no skills. Most old guys are turbo autists lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:56 PM
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when you become chad, sex happens anyway. It's primal attraction. You're just filtering who gets into the interview room by statistical outcomes. It's risk a mitigation strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:54 PM
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well the co founder of ok cupid wrote a book called dataclysm that shows what I said. so you are just talking out of your butt. No one cares that you disagree, because you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:41 PM
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if you learn leadership & containment they're not hard to find, because you make them yourself. Lots of women who just need a leader. It's a lot of effort though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:40 PM
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etting aside that plenty of nice guys (that is, actually nice) have no problem getting laid either. Then that person is not a nice guy. Do you know what 'nice guy' means? Do you think it means nice or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:37 PM
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exception to the rule fallacy. Outliers do not change what we can measure and statistically demonstrate. We measured what each gender finds attractive, and exactly how much. That doesn't change because stacy ended up with a fat footballer who peaked in highschool.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:36 PM
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you see it in all the discussions here. herd mentality. Men are logical and spot it though, so they just get more red pilled lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:30 PM
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the other stuff is an easy google. they even have a term for it, called the male lonliness epidemic. Maybe you should start by doing your own research.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:23 PM
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ya its pretty easy to see this. just go to any thread and look at the top few comments where you have a sea of irrational blue pilled women ignoring facts, being irrational, and being manipulative when presented with hard well sourced data about how we mate. They're more interested in protecting their identity and sense of self and will openly try to gaslight everyone in a hilarious display of womanese. And it happens in every single thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:17 PM
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LGBTQ+ statistics which are widely available
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:08 PM
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the data actually shows that men show interest linearly according to attractiveness percentile. With an exception at high percentile women. So men are actually very reasonable here. While women don't interact with any sub 80 percentile males almost at all. So you are actually describing a behaviour of women and applying it to men. Both men and womena lot of interest for top percentile people. Only men show interest to sub 80 percentile women and they show it linearly accordly to how attractive t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:02 PM
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intent vs reception. it's important to state these things as the facts they are. Often statement of facts is taken as an attack on women. This results in shame projection behaviors as those details violate womens sense of self and their identity. So they project that and dismiss / invalidate the individual on the basis that they are complaining. Which for any rational person (most men) is absurd. So the person just reinforces the red pill, which teaches men how women manipulate in this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:55 PM
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none of the red pill is about unfairness. It's about acceptance and openness to change to appeal to the reality of the unfairness. You change their words when stating the why ('the unfairness') and frame it as complaining, then misrepresent the entire red pill to further gaslight others by framing it as full of complainers. No one buys your posturing and framing, and responses like yours is why more and more men are being red pilled HARD. Because women show men who they are through they act, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:51 PM
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What these men are doing is filtering for traumatized women. Those who are avoidant get the cut. These men save themselves from a dead bedroom immediately. 25% of women are the sexual persuers, so chad can just go through on average 3 other women to get what he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:46 PM
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yes, that explains some. But when you look up the rates it's only a few percent. So that's like 1/10 the whole at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:44 PM
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that happens though, you just gotta become chad first. if you don't have the genetics to become chad you don't get to experience that. chad gets this experience. I know because i became chad. Went from unable to get a girl out for coffee for 10 years to women throwing themselves at me. I get proposed to. I get big trip gifts. I got a sugar momma despite being financially successful myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:15 PM
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sorry what exactly did you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:12 PM
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65% of men aged 18-35 are single, while 25% of women are. This means for every woman who is dating a man there is a second woman also dating the same man. On average. So yeah, men are very lonely right now. Fewer young men are getting the relationship experience they need to be fathers and instead look like androgynous retards who actually bought into the be yourself kool-aid. like honestly i look at young men these days when out at an event and go LOL. You see the red pilled chads with their ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:04 PM
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are the rest OK?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:02 PM
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women try to posture and manipulate. it's the difference between nice and good. good men don't allow the behavior -> enforce accountability and nice guys get manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:47 AM
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but every gynocracy over history failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 10:00 PM
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just instruct it otherwise? like? you haven't told it how to speak to you. Of course it defaults to 'safe' things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:05 PM
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yes its very predictable. you appeal to what is attractive, shocker, people are attracted to you. end of story i don't even understand how people could ever think differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:31 PM
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i see you have questionable cognitive ability so i will bid you adieu
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:51 PM
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There are LLMs that fully source everything to make it easier to independently verify the contents. maybe you should try one of those?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:43 PM
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so is critical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:34 PM
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yet that doesn't make it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:02 PM
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oh look you are denying reality again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:47 PM
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oxytocin's effects on systems in the body persist long after the hormone is metabolized. It doesn't go away that quickly. Also repeated events create habits and reward cycles.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:18 PM
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For women I would recommend attached and I hate you - dont leave me. the proper care and feeding of husbands as well.
/r/RedPillWomen12/03/26 03:10 PM
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do you know what oxytocin does and what male:female act releases the most
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:03 PM
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chat gpt it. or go to the subreddit. even my girlfriends mom is red pilled lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:53 PM
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my issue is that when they describe their husbands they describe a red pill man. I don't know how that gets missed in the interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:50 PM
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how are you that blind lol are you aware of what the red pill for women even is?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:49 PM
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how would you not know?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:45 PM
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yes, the red pill is very common among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:44 PM
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anyone who believes looks matters and follows the looks based red pill is red pilled in that way. it doesn't matter if they notice it or not. nor does it matter if they care too much about appearances to avoid being labelled that way. they still act and believe in the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:40 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oz-tOcwlVs learn what they are before continuing to discuss, it's embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:35 PM
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yes it can be predicted. when you as a male go from 0 interaction with women for years, to women flooding your inbox, it def is predictable and controllable. that was my experience. 80:20 rule is facts. went from the 80 to the 20 and it was like 'ok i get it now'.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:33 PM
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looks based red pilled people focus on their appearance. there are a lot of them. you for some reason think it's a niche minority. Cognitive dissonance due to shame avoidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:32 PM
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those people are looks based red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:28 PM
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no, you say no pill but lift. you are at least looks based red but too big of a scaredy cat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:20 PM
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Read the book "I hate you - dont leave me".
/r/RedPillWomen12/03/26 01:51 PM
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I have two close friends who began balding younger. They've never had girlfriends and are incels. It's how it is. Some men look good bald, they can pull it off. But overwhelmingly women do not date balding men when they have other options lined up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:47 PM
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oh look a looks based redpiller who has too much shame to admit it!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:45 PM
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yes point to the rules because you don't like what was said. sad and embarassing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:44 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oz-tOcwlVs
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:49 PM
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Well thats the men I saw women actually date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:26 PM
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It's because the men in the title already hopped onto the bandwagon. Most of the modern woke culture was built by fake bandwagon andy's. Thats why this woke culture is such a joke, because most people in private SHIT on it, and most people in public think there is support for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 01:32 PM
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lol ya the guy who had a fit at our banter and removed himself would be blacklisted. it was a total overreaction. 30% of people are conflict avoidant so get really triggered. what is your point and what do you mean. there are multiple ways to interpret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 01:23 AM
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i feel hes talking about male ->female dynamics. they can be quite gendered and it's appropriate to bring up some of these while building a relationship. They're funny sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:22 PM
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It's called wokefishing. Once you see the new trend, you see all the people who pile onto it. It's like bitcoin. We are a herd species. We like to protect our tribe. This is just tribe dynamics in action. You join the tribe by speaking for the culture the tribe wants. It's fake as fuck often. Like, really fucking fake. The biggest sleezebags i knew hopped onto some of the cultural shifts after they saw women shouting for them. Like how are people so blind?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:20 PM
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Girls want the romance. Someone has to create it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:50 PM
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And there is no harm to build an environment where she can choose. That's leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:35 PM
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But you miss out on like 20% of potential partnerships. Why be closed to connection when you could be open to connection?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:32 PM
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yeah but jobs are replaceable and a good girl is much harder to find. I wouldn't value being someones slave that much. business owners just collect people. You should be trying to collect people, like a good girl, not be collected. ultimately women chase the men they want, so be a man they chase. They will want to connect with you. It's then really easy to sus out who likes you and who does not. the art of connection is just matching energy. So find the ones that match your energy. They show you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:22 PM
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why not, you don't want an asian cutie?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:11 PM
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allegedly i harassed you according to the site rules. If you don't want to make her feel unsafe you can give her opportunities to choose you. Bring up that you are going to do x y z fun typical date activity this <day you know she doesnt work>. She may ask who you are going with. She may ask if she could come. Just myself, did you want to come? You can figure out her energy based on how she responds. Good way to test the waters, and if she's into you she will spot it right away and look for oppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:08 PM
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no worries bro. ill break the rules and follow your posts and take an L for your eventual W.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:43 PM
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i gotchu fam, helped u out with the azn cutie
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:40 PM
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psych classed are filled with bitches. you wanna talk to bitches learn psychology. they learn the shit out of it and then deal daily with regarded men who act like NPCs lol. They have names for your archetypes. The 'golden retriever', 'brandons', lol. You become their plaything, a dog they entertain.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:26 PM
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whats worth listening to is up to the person hearing the message. I'm sure someone interested in psychology would love to learn about individualization. You are applying your values to my words, not understanding that not everyone has your values or appreciates words the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:22 PM
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i would wager beleiving things are nice and good is much more restrictive and cult like than those who just look at the data we actually measured and make inferences that are reasonable from that data. Yes there is loss of message when simplifying. It's a lossy conversion. It's an abstraction. Because this is lossy, it's easy to poke holes. "not all women are like that", "this study says its not as much as you say it is", "he used ubiquitous and its only 30%". Thats what happens when we make som…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:17 PM
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Exactly. read that again. Partly grounded in observation. but 'simplified' they're seeds. eli5. they cast doubt. doubt sparks curiosity. curiosity overcomes identity protection. learning shifts individuals from blue to red. Someone has to carry the torch. Blue doesn't work, neither does all red. The truth is somewhere in the middle and that's okay. The point is to raise everyone up to the same level.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:02 PM
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so gpt it? "why do men learn the red pill through life experience". At least then you can have an open mind and be prepared for when reality does hit you. Which it will eventually. For instance anyone who takes leadership training learns it, and that's a big portion of working men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:55 PM
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It's spiral dynamic theory. You are still in the optimistic stage. This happens because you don't have enough life experience to form patterns contrary to your views. As you get older you will climb the rungs of emotional intelligence. It's inevitable. Some stop but you seem pretty smart and I planted the seeds which will manifest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:53 PM
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Nothing wrong with that. Feel free to gpt the reasons why men learn red pill through life experience. You can either choose to learn it now so that you can make good choices understanding the world for what it is, or you can choose to learn it later after you have already made all of your choices. I cannot choose your path. However i do know the destination because I got there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:49 PM
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All men do eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:46 PM
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nah totally disagree as the red pill is a completely 'in your control' mindset and we don't do blackpill here (out of control mindset). You are framing criticism and vulnerability as externalising and blaming, which is just not reasonable. Sure, some people do externalize and blame but at the core the teaching is NOT that. So basically you take the behaviours of a small minority and apply that to the whole which is not reasonable. At the end of the day the red pill is about accepting these are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:46 PM
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it's only BS to you because you don't understand. Again, seeds take time to mature. I once received feedback from someone that took a year for me to fully process. You will wake up morning and be like 'fuck'. It's just how it is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:43 PM
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no, this is the exact thing I said 10 comments ago. I've been very clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:40 PM
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you aren't aware of it yet. these seeds take a long time to mature. Leadership is providing space for others to learn. I have given you that space. Your learning hasn't come yet. You're still protecting your identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:38 PM
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If a woman is confident and self assured, and she likes the guy, she will choose to interpret the neg as banter. That's what is so beautiful about the tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:37 PM
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So you aren't tall but fully embody THE ENTIRE GAME PILLAR.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:33 PM
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But it doesn't. There are large shards of truth. The point is go through the critical thinking process. Again, you are black and white. You also just found out it happens. The discussion flowed. You are closer to red. That is success.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:32 PM
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Gee i wonder where they learned those skills? I must have just picked a good man! I'm awesome!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:29 PM
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There is no point, you are trying to save face.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:28 PM
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Not quite the outcome. It's different because there isn't disagreement. In our case our discussion had a disagreement, so looking to chat GPT being ~90% right is a good indicator whether or not one of us has the wrong view. It's a quick sanity check. Your examples are different and a poor analogy because there is no disagreement. It's basic physics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:23 PM
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No, I never GPT'd any of those. I already knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:14 PM
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boring and off topic. get to the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:08 PM
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Not quite. Individuals can have varying beliefs, wrong beliefes, or incorrect beliefs. That does not make the red pill wrong. The red pill is still what true reality is. When a study contradicts some red pill belief, the new study becomes the red pill. Those that embody the principles that the red pill advocate for are red pilled in their actions but their mind is not aware of how it got there, or the individual rejects the idea that they follow the red pill to protect their sense of self. Despi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:07 PM
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Whats your goal. That there is a pressure temperature curve so as pressure changes the temperature to boil changes. In fact water can be boiling, freezing, and evaporating all at once. It's called the triple point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:03 PM
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I am doing it right because I said your chance to deny every claim, and that is the correct calculation. p<sup>n-1</sup> My point being is that the information in GPT is an indicator that you are VERY STATISTICALLY LIKELY TO BE WRONG if you disagree. So your bias is highly irrational. If the red pill is just being a person who dates who is employed that's not what I said. The red pill as it pertains to attractive qualities of males is for instance https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12051582/ Which …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:59 PM
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that the 5 senses comes from aristotles outward wits. It's an oversimplification of the senses we do experience, and we have defined many others contrary to public perception that comes from ancient greek teachings.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:54 PM
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There's like 30 senses...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:52 PM
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i disagree. If it acts like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. These men were red pilled by experience and by their fathers and by society. The red pill is opening your eyes up to how the world actually works. You don't need to listen to fresh and fit. Most men get more and more red pilled as they get older. The red pill has been passed down since the ancient greeks. You can gpt how the greeks taught TRP through marcus aurelius and other free thinkers / psychologists of the eras. C Jung fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:43 PM
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I'm not saying men have it harder, so please don't change the topic. Not caring about wearing makeup doesn't indicate I don't care how other people look or that I'm unable to break up with someone. They'll know if we're looking for them as a partner anyway if I asked them out. You are projecting your values by way of how you present yourself. of course you are still shallow, you are human. But you are less shallow because you hold your personal beliefs strong and do not conform. It shows you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:36 PM
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Yes absolutely, not makeup. Let me clarify, because I see you are picking up on my use of 'same' as in the actual mechanisms. Perhaps 'similar' is a better term. They are 'different', what is the same is that there is beauty standards. Some of it is genetic. This is where the pills deviate. The black pill says its all genetics. The red pill says you can control these thousands of variables which add up to a SMV that dictates what you can get in the dating market. They're expected to show up and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:29 PM
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it's always been looks status & game. Most men married to women are attractive, have good careers, and know how to flirt / treat / lead / have sex with a woman. Men who appeal to those 3 traits are red pilled. Even if they engage in shame related behaviors and refuse to admit it, they still conform to the pillars and display those attributes in their behavior https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oz-tOcwlVs you have men in leadership positions with wives, and they just do organisational containment o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:15 PM
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That's a very good personality trait. I was like you, but unfortunately men are held to the same beauty standards as women and I had to compete intrasexually to even get a girl out for coffee. For context I picked a girl who thinks like you do. It's a very good and green flag personality trait. However in order to get your foot in the door as a man you need to appeal to primal attraction, as do the women who wear makeup. In a way its social awareness and values. Some people understand the world …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:13 PM
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oh my sweet naive summer child.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:09 PM
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And thats okay, because the intent was to make you curious and expose the truth behind my message. If I can trigger you and get you to learn yourself, I can invoke a change in your mindset. In essence I have manipulated you into getting past identity protection behaviours that prevent you from going looking yourself. People seldom accept or go looking for information that goes against their sense of self of their view of the world. One effective way to do it is to make a statement that is exagge…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:05 PM
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why do you think that? from my experience every man i know who got red pilled pretty much immediately found success. Do you look around and think red pill is the minority or something? Every man i grew up with got red pilled. And the ones who didn't are currently incels lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:54 PM
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It's okay to not describe things with perfect accuracy. You are moving goal posts. The goal is mutual clarity, not perfect communication. I am allowed to imperfectly communicate in a discussion. What matters is that we come to a consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:53 PM
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Perfect. thank you for confirming.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:50 PM
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It was actually very right. It said it was common and common especially in some contexts. Whats in question is the use of the word ubiquitous and what ubiquitous means. Sure, it might not be EVERYONE. But its common enough that it said very common which was the intent. You are hyper focusing on the vocabulary and not realizing that you, yourself, proved credibility to my claim. It's just not fully correct. It's mostly correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:48 PM
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And since i want to date someone who would also like me, then those qualities would show in our relationship in a way that shows that he likes me. Like planning a date, having initiative etc. This is leadership. Men are expected to be leaders and lead the relationship. Women are seldom taught leadership tactics, so unfortunately for a relationship to mirror a relationship the men must make that reality happen. So they have to have the skills to lead and direct the relationship. Basically - they …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:46 PM
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and what was that and what did you learn?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:44 PM
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Okay so its partially right. Congratulations, you just empowered yourself. My point is to plant seeds. You cannot change someones views or control their behavior. But what I can do is plant a seed of doubt which will manifest itself over a year or two. I just mentioned power, influence, tustbuilding, and leadership tacatics. What do you think your boss does to keep you happy and productive? Next you will learn about influence and leadership. Because you will want to be a leader one day. You will…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:37 PM
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so be curious and confirm them yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:29 PM
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Scroll up. Talking to blue pillers is like talking to a 12 year old church boy who doesn't understand he's at the bottom of a power structure built on influence, trustbuilding, and leadership tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:26 PM
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and you could have googled it 20 times. Exccept you don't want clarity, you want to argue. People are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:25 PM
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And there is nothing wrong with that. This is reddit. "Im a blue piller and I have tremendous shame. so much shame that when someone expresses I may be misinformed and that I could easily look up the information to inform myself I double down, project shame, and bring up a burden of proof argument as if I am winning the argument. Except what I don't understand is the data is still there and I just look stupid in an effort to protect my identity and self of self, because to be wrong means I poorl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:21 PM
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30% of people are conflcit avoidant. 50% of people are complainers. These people don't need to change their behavior because you get triggered and uncomfortable at their discomfort. It's sad and embarrassing and reflects poorly on your ability to empathize with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:12 PM
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Posturing and trying to say Im not educated in this won't accomplish anything. He's far from the only red pill source and he is just one person. You've changed the topic and are projecting only having a surface level understanding by telling me you have only learned from a few tik toks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:11 PM
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not true. that's black pill. red pill is optimistic. It's easy to frame red pillers as miserable and depressed, but that's actually a very core misunderstanding of what the red pill is. That is actually completely contrary to what the red pill teaches. It's a black pill doomer take. So you basically apply black pill doomer mindset to red pillers to dismiss the red pill and make them appear as depresssed and miserable. When in fact the red pillers are actually the men succeeding in this world, fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:06 PM
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lol now you are trying to associate one personality with the entire teachings to dismiss it. Clueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:03 PM
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You are naive so believe there is no good reason. performative liberalism is ubiquitous in our society. The term has been coined.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:02 PM
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If I was looking to argue with someone I would confirm I wasn't looking stupid first.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:59 PM
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Good so you acknowledge its all true and backed by data. the red pill is just an abstraction around the data. We measure what is attractive, the red pill comes up with looks status game as a means to appeal to the most important attributes. Abstraction. Why would we talk ratios when we can just say 'be attractive'. Because people prefer to communicate with BREVITY and be SUCCINT to aid in understanding. The red pill just communicates what the data advocates for in an easy to digest way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:57 PM
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confirmation bias. go look
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:55 PM
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And yet the data and information stays the same regardless of how I communicate it!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:53 PM
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The information is still there, the mechanism by which it is seeked doesn't change the information. You are very illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:53 PM
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No, it shows that the answers are there and easy to find. What sort of cognitive dissonance is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:51 PM
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it's an easy way to learn the nuance in what I am saying and will spit it all out in half a second. Very easy solution to your problem you should try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:50 PM
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But life doesn't work like that. You aren't valued for who you are. Those men likely had to perform a tremendous amount of leadership and raised you up and you don't have the self awareness to understand that. If multiple men have told you that, they aren't wrong. It's a cognitive bias where you act in the moment and don't see the long term patterns they have enabled through leadership by giving you the room to grow while dating them. Men often see the huge gaps in womens ability and behavior an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:48 PM
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then chat gpt it and confirm. i'm not your mother
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:44 PM
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This is literally red pill looks status game in 9 points.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:44 PM
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The market wants what it wants and most people are inauthentic chameleons. It's just life experience and understanding how most people are very narcissistic but do not show that to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:42 PM
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You can just google these things lmao. For instance norman li's neccecities and luxuries model will break down every attribute women find attractive in men and give you a ratio between them all. Exactly how much each matters. It's just a click away lmao. have some self respect, go do some googling, and grow up lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:39 PM
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why do you feel the need to posture and try to frame changing themselves to appeal to womens standards as 'life empty' wouldn't getting a woman make their 'life full' by allowing them to actually build a normal life?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:31 PM
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The red pill uses the data to inform teachings. You just go to the data and see what women actually find attractive. That is the red pill. Opening your eyes to how the world actually works. We measured how muscular is how attractive. The ideal red pill 'jackedness' is whatever maximizes your SMV according to the data. We observe men who become too jacked become less attractive. Just as men who are too tall become less attractive. It's inherently red pill because this is what the data shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:28 PM
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The men I know who were succesful with women were conservative, but the women were very liberal. They continue to date conservative men who are conservative by their behaviors but liberal in what they show others. So they reward inauthentic men who are liars and don't have the self awareness to recognize that. Again, nice guys finish last.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:25 PM
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Changing my words. Not a good look.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:24 PM
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And with trust/attraction the neg is treated as banter in actual relationships. Basically, due to other factors the same action is interpreted differently because the intent doesn't matter. What matters is how the neg is delivered and how the neg is received.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:20 PM
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Men are turned off by cluster B personalities. These 'submissive' women just have better communication skills. Men do not want difficult and bitchy. No one does. They do not want a woman who doesn't stand up or isn't confident or isn't strong. They just want a woman to express those attributes in a calm cool collected and respectful way. Women who show strong neuroticism and project a lot of insecurities / victimhood are not attractive lol. As we can see with incels, no one cares about your prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:05 PM
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Womens actions demonstrate they want conservative men who act liberal. Like chameleons the men become "liberal" because they are appealing to pussy pedestal. Much of our society works like this. Just look at immigration policy. Goes right out the window once people start being authentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:00 PM
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Not sure, go ask all the incels about their experiences trying to date women. maybe they have some insight.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:58 PM
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And wildly consistent tastes in men too. For every outlier there is 100 that fits the mold perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:57 PM
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It's a genetics marker. However stubble is statistically the most attractive facial hair look.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:57 PM
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Those guys look 35 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:56 PM
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Yes, they like having power in the relationship to dictate when sex happens. It's used as a carrot to get what they want. This is because women learn that they have sexual power over men at a young age. They like having that power. And its one of the few knobs they can turn to control mens behavior. When you understand this you will observe a lot of control behaviors within intimate relationships with women. Subtle control behaviours. For instance you flirt and you both agree on fucking later. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:53 PM
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this is a red pilled 'game' take.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:49 PM
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what do you mean women are swooning at a billionaire with a penthouse sex dungeon? That's not womanly behavior!!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:48 PM
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So statistically near zero women are good based off the attractiveness percentile of men who actually receive engagement from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:45 PM
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The RP isn't about becoming mega jacked. That's actually well understood to put you in niche status and will limit your options. Most women don't want a beefcake. You misunderstand the teachings.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:36 PM
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This is basic advice on compliments. Except I found that in intimate relations, comments on appearance land hard. Women want to be desired and appreciated. They want their body to be complimented. The reason you want to compliment other attributes first is because women will get the ick if you move too sexual too quickly. However in practice once there is trust you can absolutely complement her on her appearance and she will appreciate it. It's very validating to tell her you love her booty or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:33 PM
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In case it isn't clear, you can't follow a formula for dating success. Every red piller disagrees because they followed the formulae and it worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:30 PM
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Yes. They don't have the SMV required to have boundaries and standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:28 PM
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?? its basis is three pillars of looks status and game. You don't even know what the pills are lol. anyone who lifts is at least looks based red pilled. Whether they have the awareness to accept that is another story. Most project too much shame and deny that they are looks based red pilled, convince themselves they somehow are different and are lifting for personal reasons so that they don't feel uncomfortable about the real reason why they are lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:27 PM
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Modern heterosexual dating is set up in a way where you have the pursuer (man) and the pursued (woman) Not true. Once you become chad the script flips.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:25 PM
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The issue arises because nice guys don't understand that women want to be respect by the general public and want to be treated like a woman by their partner. Men learn to respect women as if they were in public, but never learn how to treat a woman like a woman in a relationship. Ultimately women are more passive. They typically learn less leadership skills. Thus, as a man you take on the weight of romanticizing the relationship and making it a fun, engaging, and intimate partnership. Men who ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:24 PM
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Yes, which gives credit to how easy it is to improve your outcomes by following the looks based red pill. You can get ahead of 87% just by changing one part of your lifestyle. This for most people without atrocious genetics means success in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:18 PM
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It's not so much complaining as it is raising awareness and teaching/raising other men up. It's a very taboo topic and leads to a lot of confused men who do not know what to prioritize. Well, unfortunately if you are a little overweight you will be a sexless incel. Also if you are a skinny toothpick who doesn't fit the prettyboy niche you will also be a sexless incel. Men who are 5'6" have like 120x the competition as someone 6'3". So be prepared to really really fucking grind on the other attri…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:16 PM
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No, but its taught in the RP and one of the basis of following the 3 pillars. You follow the 3 pillars and you don't need to chase. Women come to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:14 PM
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Except - they are like that too and appreciate authenticity. The men I knew who were most successful with women were certainly the most racist and bigoted people i know. The biggest chad i knew screamed 'faggots' when driving past a gay bar. Yet despite being a raging bigot, highly racist, he still had no trouble getting women, and all the women in my friend group were pining for him. I get told its my personality, when it was just appearance informing my personality. Once I became chad they wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:12 PM
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Which is why the red pill is so important, because investment requires baseline attraction. As I got more red pilled, women were more and more engaged in meeting my needs without having to do anything. Why would I settle for being treated like a beta bucks blue piller whose just gonna get cucked?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:04 PM
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Men are rated the most attractive at 32-33. And their ratings decline by 35 and further. If you do more research on aging you will learn men have a growth spurt at 35 and one in their mid 50s. This isn't a normal growth spurt, it's an aging spurt which isn't well known by the general population. Men and women get this aging spurt at different ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:02 PM
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BP works for men who naturally follow red pill principles without being formally red pilled. All men I knew who got girlfriends were at the very least looks based red pilled. The chads who got a lot of women fawning over them were good at the other two pillars.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:59 PM
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Shame projection. The incels are right, and the rest is just shame avoidance. Since incels have no power they get the blame. They're the easiest to blame because they have no boundaries, no self awareness, no social skills, so no ability to defend themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:57 PM
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Sure, listen to the sexpert yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ait0WaCNCw
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:50 PM
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and never notice things just happen to them. Certainly someone isn't creating this flourishing environment for them...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:42 PM
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It's actually highly variable based on locality. the meta analysis on the topic found rates between 0.8% to 30% https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1733152/ So the answer is not as black and white as you think. Are the numbers straight now? 18% was a direct quote from an FBI rep in an interview I saw on the news. Seems its closer to sub < 10% but it really matters where you are looking. As some areas are as high as 30%.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:26 AM
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Of course. The best interactions i have had is women who knew what negging was. It's not wrong to be socially aware. They basically go 'you little shit your an ass!!!' and are okay with it. Slapping a womans ass is womanizing, yet it's considered healthy to slap your partners ass. Nice guys just don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:32 AM
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Actually it is you who does not understand. If the interaction ends positively and builds connection it is indeed good. You can damage the connection and repair for instance - leading to strong connection. you can damage the connection and make her feel safe to criticisize and neg you - leading to a strong connection. checkers versus chess. You are focusing on the black and white which is the interaction being poor, and forgetting all the ways it can go positively.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:03 AM
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Negging done poorly is bad negging, and not representative of how negging works when done well. She literally just described her husband negging her and doing it right but doesn't have the self awareness to recognize that. He's doing what the red pill says but she interprets it positively. Women are funny sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:44 AM
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Poor negging goes poorly. Good negging goes well. My partner and I laugh and neg eachother sometimes. We do it back and forth. You need emotional intelligence to understand it. It's very funny in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:38 AM
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Very productive, because everyone who doubted false paternity rates were that high was wrong. There is an easy to find meta analysis that shows you were all wrong. It's okay that I described it in a way that made you want to attack something you were wrong about anyway. That was your choice. You chose to be close minded, as the others did. Not my problem. Next time have an open mind??
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:27 AM
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The study itself says ~10 as maybe too high. The median across studies done in different populations is not as telling as you think it is. There is nothing wrong with presenting the information as I did. It's perfectly reasonable to say its 30% in some places.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:37 PM
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It's actually highly variable based on locality. the meta analysis on the topic found rates between 0.8% to 30% https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1733152/ So the answer is not as black and white as you think. Are the numbers straight now? 18% was a direct quote from an FBI rep in an interview I saw. That's allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:22 PM
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>may be an overestimate for most populations We're comparing a bunch of different statistics. The answer is, it ranges from low ish to very high (30%). I gave the proof. It does go as high as 30 percent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:10 PM
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The art of connection is fascinating, as is the systems of people. Ultimately understanding these mechanics allows leadership to flow.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:51 PM
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Definitely not lying, the meta analysis on the topic found rates between 0.8% to 30% https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1733152/ As I discussed. It varies greatly off locality. The 18% figure was from a quote from an FBI interview I recall years back.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:43 PM
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Because they are the federal beurau of investigation and it's their job. Yeah, if there was fraud affecting 18% of born babies they'd be the people to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:33 PM
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Advocating is quite a stretch. I have described the why to you in very great detail and hopefully you have learned a lot Feel free to enlighten me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:30 PM
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Yes I am very aware of childhood aces. I'm an expert and have read several books on the topic. My point was that in the real world both men and women have experienced abuse. So really by advocating for the ideal perfect secure person you are losing ground in the discussion. We aren't dealing with robots, we are dealing with real people. This makes negging fascinating! By negging the man is being vulnerable. They are putting forward a way to connect that is taboo. They break the social contract. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:11 PM
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You got it completely right. Almost zero women were raised in very stable and non abusive environments. Maybe if they were home schooled in a monastery.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:55 PM
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Yes it is abusive. It's good for relationships. By negging you are inherently testing trust. You are being vulnerable and saying "i have enough confidence and trust in our connection that you can take this". This is a challenge. It's a test. Those who understand banter find the test intellectually stimulating. And it gets more and more common among successful and high emotional intelligence people. It's both a reflection of the mans comfort, confidence, and a test for the woman. It's an invitati…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:32 PM
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Not really, no. Let me challenge you here as there's nuance here you don't understand yet. Maybe you could try digging deeping into leadership topics and projection on your own time. By negging you are inherently testing trust. You are being vulnerable and saying "i have enough confidence and trust in our connection that you can take this". This is a challenge. It's a test. Those who understand banter find the test intellectually stimulating. And it gets more and more common among successful and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:26 PM
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projection!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:18 PM
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Yes and so is stonewalling, gaslighting, or any of the other emotionally abusive things people looking to get into a relationship with eachother do. Yes teasing is mean and wrong and bad. But this is real life, and teasing is a good way to connect with others. It's how men bond with other men. And it happens to be build connection with women when done right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:16 PM
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oh a curious non ego driven personality. rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:12 PM
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And the behaviour is very well studied and under the hood is playful antagonism or affiliative teasing. It's received well. Just like giving gifts are. Hell, I made the mistake of buying a girl flowers too early and she rejected me because she felt I was manipulating her. Or another girl whom I took to a very nice estate small dinner, made by an old lady in a cabin in the mountains. My aunt is her best friend and they go out and pick mushrooms together on their property. She happens to run a bou…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:03 PM
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oh young padawan! just go ask chat gpt and keep asking questions. ask it about leadership and containment within teams in corporate orgs. how the engine keeps people happy or in line.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:53 PM
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So I know that you have given and received gifts. Are you a manipulative person? No, you just know that giving gifts is a way to connect with others. Well, So is teasing lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:52 PM
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It's actually well studied, not hearsay. Details being lost in the game of telephone will cast doubt. At the end of the day what we find attractive is well understood. It's a solved problem. We have the data. We he have the facts. There are just people who suck at explaining the facts and people who suck at accepting the facts. The red pill accepts. The blue pill rejects. That's the mindset difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:35 PM
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Who says it hardly matters. There is research on how it plays out in interpersonal relationships. It's well studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:28 PM
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naming your actual behaviours is not condescending. It's holding you accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:20 PM
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Disagree. it's a common pattern that exhibits itself in interpersonal interactions, and we have named the dynamic and explored how it plays out. Then described it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:20 PM
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if it wasn't good at what it accomplishes then it wouldn't have a definition or be considered manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:17 PM
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I'm not attacked at all, just planting seeds of self awareness. I see you are projecting being attacked and are stonewalling as a form of emotional abuse. That's okay. You are free to posture and interact with me in that way. The fact is we have thousands of years of psychology research that isn't wrong, you are free to deny it. Good day m'lady
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:15 PM
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Yes it can be an instance of emotional abuse. It can also deepen connection and create a fun and playful experience. Which is the actual result if there is spark and attraction. It's taboo, and that's what makes it fun and playful. It's confident. Authentic. Honest. Lots of good things too. Again - you are autistic thinking in black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:13 PM
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it's also a well defined tactic for connection in psychology. You can just look up all the research on the topic. Socially aware people do these things all the time, you are assuming intent when everyone does it already. Knowing the mechanics does not make it manipulative. Neither does using the mechanics. Have you ever been given a gift?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:07 PM
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"When people feel attacked or embarrassed in an argument, the brain goes into defense mode. Instead of discussing the idea, the conversation turns into attacking the source (AI, Google, the person, etc.)." There is a difference definition wise, but there is attraction either way. I'm not defending the practice I am explaining the well studied effect. Yes bringing others down is bad, yes bringing others down can lead to connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:05 PM
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You're misunderstanding what I'm saying, so let me explain it really simply. Imagine two people arguing about whether a stove is hot. One person says “touch it and see,” and the other says “you only believe that because you read it somewhere.” The stove being hot doesn't depend on who said it. It’s just a fact that can be checked. Same thing here. If I say there’s research on playful antagonism or affiliative teasing, that doesn’t become false just because I used GPT or read it somewhere. The in…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:02 PM
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You're misunderstanding what I'm saying, so let me explain it really simply. Imagine two people arguing about whether a stove is hot. One person says “touch it and see,” and the other says “you only believe that because you read it somewhere.” The stove being hot doesn't depend on who said it. It’s just a fact that can be checked. Same thing here. If I say there’s research on playful antagonism or affiliative teasing, that doesn’t become false just because I used GPT or read it somewhere. The in…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:59 PM
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You're misunderstanding what I'm saying, so let me explain it really simply. Imagine two people arguing about whether a stove is hot. One person says “touch it and see,” and the other says “you only believe that because you read it somewhere.” The stove being hot doesn't depend on who said it. It’s just a fact that can be checked. Same thing here. If I say there’s research on playful antagonism or affiliative teasing, that doesn’t become false just because I used GPT or read it somewhere. The in…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:59 PM
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“playful antagonism” or “affiliative teasing.” feel free to google it. GPT has like 85%+ correct rates now. So by saying its gpt is actually credit to how it may be accurate. You are doubling down on the 15% chance it is wrong, which statistically won't work out. Yes it is GPT, and there is nothing wrong with that. You are free to research more on the topic. “playful antagonism” or “affiliative teasing" can be easily googled. I will end it here because you asked the question why and I answered. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:56 PM
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My sense of self is not broken so I do not feel the need to do the growth work that you need for you. I am continuing to engage with you because I know that in due time you will reflect and grow. It's just a seed that I consider worth planting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:51 PM
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You are free to google playful antagonism or affiliative teasing and read the research on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:42 PM
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The posturing won't work. You can confirm everything in the GPT response on your own time. Wishing you the best in your journey young padawan.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:40 PM
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What you’re describing is something many psychologists talk about as “playful antagonism” or “affiliative teasing.” It overlaps with sibling dynamics because siblings are often the first people we learn intimacy + challenge + safety with at the same time. In healthy adult romantic relationships, some of those “brotherly” patterns show up in ways that actually strengthen connection, because they mix play, honesty, and accountability instead of pure politeness. Let’s break down the pieces. 1. Play…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:33 PM
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When we get triggered our amygdala shuts off. We aren't able to act reasonably or rationally. We aren't able to see clearly. We assume and interpret things according to our own world view and experiences. We double down and engage in really insecure behaviours. Take 20 minutes and come back to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:32 PM
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"i dont care" is codeword for you care a lot. Someone who didn't care wouldn't need to say it. That's projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:27 PM
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and yet anyone socially aware sees the projection
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:24 PM
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Yes I do, because thats what the science says. What you’re describing is something many psychologists talk about as “playful antagonism” or “affiliative teasing.” It overlaps with sibling dynamics because siblings are often the first people we learn intimacy + challenge + safety with at the same time. In healthy adult romantic relationships, some of those “brotherly” patterns show up in ways that actually strengthen connection, because they mix play, honesty, and accountability instead of pure p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:24 PM
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Here, I did it for you. It wasn't hard. What you’re describing is something many psychologists talk about as “playful antagonism” or “affiliative teasing.” It overlaps with sibling dynamics because siblings are often the first people we learn intimacy + challenge + safety with at the same time. In healthy adult romantic relationships, some of those “brotherly” patterns show up in ways that actually strengthen connection, because they mix play, honesty, and accountability instead of pure politene…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:21 PM
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and thats a different topic, we are talking about how brotherly behaviors are attractive to women. The benchmarks for frontier models are like 85%+ now. You are doubling down on a 15% chance its wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:18 PM
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No, I am asking you to have self awareness that you are doubling down and engaging in shame related protective behavior. These are well understood dynamics in psychology. Arguing with me serves no purpose when you can go to the source and learn the truth, which you don't want to because you are protecting yourself from being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:17 PM
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You are engaging in a shame related behavior. You want to frame it as incorrect or artificial because to accept that I am telling the truth would make you feel shame. Because you have doubled down on wrong and are acting in preservation of your sense of self. Get over your shame and try it. It doesn't hurt to ask. Be more open!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:16 PM
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Look, gpt it or not. I'm not your mother. Yes it is contradictory, but anyone who isn't autistic knows thats okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:13 PM
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Just a very fun thing I see all the time. Try telling a girl to google something LOL. 'no thats not fair you cant just pull out a phone and hold me accountable, thats not fair!!!!'. Hilarious shame behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:10 PM
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And you can keep denying reality. Chat gpt will tell you that you are wrong :) Ask yourself. Or stay in your bubble because the truth violates your sense of self.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:09 PM
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You really really need to go into chat gpt with this convo. you are very off base. I can see you are really triggered by feeling seen so I will end it here. I 100% understand negging. I feel like i have displayed that very clearly. Take some time and come back a little later maybe. You have wayyy too black and white thinking here. People interactions do not work black and white. Yes it does put her off her guard and make her insecure. Banter does that. But for those with a strong sense of self t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:07 PM
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I do, but you are assuming negative intent when the intent is mutual connection. This to me is shame projection. I am telling you this is a valid and effective form of flirting and you think it is manipulative. It's not manipulative, it's flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:01 PM
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I did address what you said, you just don't understand. Be more open here. You are denying without really considering things. Perhaps put what i've said into chat gpt to understand better? Sibling interactions have everything to do with sexual flirting. It makes women feel safe by bringing them psychologically back to safe environments when they were children and had brothers. This is certainly a nice to have for arousal. They feel safe because they experienced those behaviors with their brother…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:00 PM
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The intent and outcome are independent. The outcome is completely decided by the person receiving the neg. You cannot know the intent. It's actually even unfair to assume intent. I always bantered with people, well before I knew banter was attractive. Understanding the mechanics doesn't make my actions any more or less malicious. You assume bad intent because they know the mechanics. But it's also just a normal human behavior that most people do naturally. So you are just kinda mad that it works…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:56 PM
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Maybe go read the book the art of witty banter. I feel like you have a fragile sense of self if you don't understand why banter is flirty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:41 PM
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That's your interpretation now from the outside. It doesn't go that way in real life. I agree completely with you, it's fucked up from an outside lens. But in practice a bit of banter is playful, fun, and flirty. And yes women do that. Thats what banter is. People with strong sense of self who have good egos can banter. You can poke your finger into a secure non ego driven man all you want. And women do, they test for this relentlessly. When he doesn't react, or responds playfully, you feel safe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:40 PM
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Think critically. If you were a girl and you grew up with brothers, you would have a lot of positive memories of the things your brothers did. Things that entertained you, created fun experiences out of nothing. Her brothers would have held her accountable, called her out on her shit. They'd be playful, wrestle a bit. These dynamics invoke those old feel good feelings. It's part of what makes male:female dynamics attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:37 PM
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There are toxic behaviors that are indeed statistically gendered. They're well documented over history. You cannot erase for instance greek writings on women, or C Jung's work. There's an entire religion which exists today which removes womens power imo because of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:34 PM
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They should, and they do. I've never met a woman who didn't test my sense of self. Being unable to take a little bit of criticism is a big turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:30 PM
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Yes, but does that actually matter? The outcome is independent of the ACTUAL intent. Intent versus reception. You are assuming intent. However, intent will be presumed by whomever is on the other end of the interaction. Banter is also fun and playful. Anyone with social awareness banters. Just yesterday I was talking with a girl and we just started bantering back and forth relentlessly. IT SHOWED THAT I HAVE SOCIAL PROWESS AND THAT I WAS NOT INSECURE. Meanwhile the ex chad that was there with us…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:22 PM
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It's easy to posture and call it complaining. That's an easy way to dismiss these mens experiences and blame them. The fact is that I was sexless, and just became attractive, and then women treated me different. I didn't need to change my personality - i needed to change how women interpreted my behaviors by changing my appearance. Women project how they feel about you with how they act. So do men mind you. These men are confused because they are not doing anything wrong but are still getting th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:18 PM
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denying accountability in plain sight. 'i dont want to observe because then ill be proven wrong'
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:16 PM
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It's very coherent. Posturing and saying otherwise won't get you anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:00 PM
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The FBI does actually estimate paternity fraud to be 18%. And I am right about the 30%. I will conclude this here because I don't need to prove i'm right to know I am right :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:55 PM
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I disagree. Negging is certainly under the umbrella of banter. Your position doesn't make sense to me. You are by definition bantering when you neg. Social awareness has no part in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:54 PM
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Yes it is as estimated by the FBI. There are also some districts in the US where it is higher than 30%. I've actually researched this lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:44 PM
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Yes you are right. However I feel a little differently because I feel like these ideas come from from shame projection. They are just not aware that everyone sees through their BS. So they will vehemently deny being attracted to chad to save face and avoid shame. Ultimately it's just a defence mechanism to protect their identity. I see this as gaslight and toying, because they learn that naive men actually buy it. So it becomes a norm. However they're still going 'wow hes hot' and then going 'ew…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:43 PM
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The rate is also 18% as reported by the FBI. So it's actually a really really really high rate. 18% of babies born are estimated to be paternity fraud. They do not measure who the birth father is at birth BECAUSE it is so high and would destabilize our society. That means 1/5 women are cucking their partners. Let that sink in - 1/5. Careful out there boys. Learn projection, learn those dark female behaviors, and filter for them!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:39 PM
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They do have insight and knowledge. The data shows what is attractive. They measured it all already. You can't argue against it lol, well you can, just you look really really dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:37 PM
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And this is why the red pill works. It's just statistics. It acknowledges who we are not who we see ourselves as. The more red pilled you are the better your chances are at getting and keeping a girl. Their nervous systems require you to operate and behave in a certain way for them to keep liking you. The only way to get past it is to teach your woman self awareness, but you can only do that AFTER she has chosen you. Once you teach her about her own behavior patterns, you can slowly stop perform…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:36 PM
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It's under banter, which is a form of flirting. If shes into you she will receive it positively. Why? because she will project that she took it on the chin by how she responds. Girl isnt attracted -> gets insulted -> lashes out, attacks back girl is attracted -> feels good feelings -> becomes more attracted Negging is very effective because it mirrors brother-sister play dynamics. Or father daughter play dynamics. Men do bring each other down to raise each other up. Playful banter. It can tell y…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:30 PM
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Hence the red pill looks status game. All those 3 things override other considerations like - this is too good to be true. Unfortunately now you gotta have all 3 because other men that came before had all 3. So any man who doesn't is seen as less than. Our society made it not okay to just flounder through life like a normal human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:28 PM
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It's called the foreigner effect. It's quite good for instilling attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:26 PM
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And then you talk to them and it's always about getting bitches. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:20 PM
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There was no trap, nor was there any status play nor threat. You actually fell into my trap by thinking a typo means i'm wrong. Shadow was one part. You aren't a threat. You are an insecure cluster B woman. No one is threatened by that, they feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:19 PM
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Blue pill does have talking points. Start here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oz-tOcwlVs
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:10 PM
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yeah except saying 'there will be A girl' is totally bs. Just going by height alone, a man who is 6'3" has 120x less competition than a man 5'6"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:09 PM
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I walked into a 7 11 in asia and 2 girls begged me to meet them after.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:27 AM
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heard this too. "i guess I could have taken more time" and she was one a 1:1 date with me, that i had no idea was a date at the time. Because her sister asked me to go? Like honestly no girl im not a homewrecker because you hopped onto some mid dudes dick and regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:10 AM
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honestly they lie and gaslight to toy with men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:08 AM
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Or life experience from experienced men, whose life experience is valuable and an asset. You can read the same things from Greek writings. Or more modern thinkers like C Yung and his work on anima. The muslims put burkas on women for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:07 AM
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'but you still get to survive' - what an argument LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:53 AM
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you got the math backwards, the difference that matters is between how many men are single and how many women are. 2x the men are single than women, which means that every man is dating 2 women or women are dating well above 35 from the age of 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:38 AM
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there is nothing with the language. you are just insecure. they follow those pillars. be yourself is THE blue pill talking point. It's like rule #1 lol. I see i'mtalking to someone who doesn't know what the pills even are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:13 AM
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Yes you are right I changed the topic a little bit. Let me touch on your other things first as there are many other threads here and then I will get to your question. why do women like you have to have so much shame about sex and talking about sex. We're digusting, your shameful. It's polarity. Men and women ARE different. Just an hour ago my friend was talking about blowjobs. Just this morning I got a really good blow job. It was a whole vibe. What happens is that in real life you get censored …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:03 AM
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once you are red pilled the business world looks wayyyy different lol your manager does containment on you LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:56 PM
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I never dated casually, I dated to find a good girl. Years. I got discarded, so learned what good was, and went for it. Sorry ladies the game goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:27 PM
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I actually got one good girl and got out. Very fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:03 PM
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Yes of course. But a 65 - 25 split is quite the deviation. That means a large portion of women are dating men over 35 or some men are dating multiple women (the chads). Yes indeed, hence the purpose of the discussion. The experience of people actually dating is what matters. It's very easy to be blue pilled at the finish line if you meandered into success without trying too hard. Especially if you did it before OLD. For those actually playing the game the game has changed and their experience is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:01 PM
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The experience of those who are actually dating (young people 18-35) is actually the only experience that matters when discussing how people pair and mate. If you look at the finish line you can gather insight, but it's not the whole picture. You are looking at the finish line and saying 'women and men don't mate that way, they mate their equals' but the data shows women are hypergamous until their environment cannot satisfy their hypergamy. THEN they settle. This leads to a frustrating experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:39 PM
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Ratios matter. For instance if you did a little deeper into say height metrics, a man who is 5'6" has 120x the competition as a man 6'3. So going from 80 percentile 0.1 messages per week to 3 is like a 30x increase lol. For everyone sub 80% who is at 0.01 or less thats 300x to 30000x. This is why men are so frustrated. 80% of them get no engagement because women are all clamoring for the top guys and ignoring the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:21 PM
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because its red pill advice lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:14 PM
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They describe their partners who exactly resembles what the red pill dictates is attractive and do not have the self awareness to realize that they married someone who embodied every red pill pillar and was attractive to them because they appealed to the traits which make them attractive according to the red pill. Instead they project that shame and say they hate the red pill, as they go and let some red pill chad rearrange their insides and leave a gooey creampie leaking out of them just a few …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:12 PM
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its messages received by attractiveness percentile, this is also by the cofounder of ok cupid that is from his book dataclysm
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:17 PM
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That is a red pill teaching. You are more red pilled and just project shame and say you are blue pilled lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:16 PM
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Or alternatively the group that actually experiences the dating market before the associative-hypergamy cycle has concluded. They are in fact the ONLY ones that matter, because they are the ones actually experiencing how people mate
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:15 PM
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hypergamy was just a term used to describe the trend they observed of women only selecting men that exceeded them across a variety of attributes. They would never accept men who were lower than they were in those attributes. They also measured the hypergamy-associative cycle, where women would start seeking men that appealed to their hypergamy first and when that wasnt succesful they would settle for associative. It's just how they mate. And there is NO blame here. It's merely a description of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:15 PM
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This is called the associative-hypergamy cycle. Basically, women start by exercising their hypergamy and when the environment cannot satisfy that they settle for associative. You have a red pill argument here buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:12 PM
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why are you associating wierd porn with conservative men? So in actuality - both men and womens brains respond very very positively to eroticism. In fact, when women were asked if they liked erotic things they all said no. When they hooked up their brain and genitals to fMRI their physiological response said otherwise. This is called sexual non-concordance, and it comes from shame projection. A lot of women have a lot of shame around intimacy and project that negative feeling when they think abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:07 PM
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Which makes it really funny because A LOT of the women here have now turned to taking red pill talking points and ideas, and spinning them as blue pill advice. They hate the red pill so much yet are red pilled themselves that they project that shame and try to gaslight everyone that they aren't advocating or believe in the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:04 PM
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#5 is game #1 is status #2 is looks #3 is game #4 is game your red pilled honey. does your boyfriend go to the gym?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:03 PM
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hey man its totally true, it just invokes a lot of shame so you get a lot of shame projection behaviours. my cousing was sleeping with 3-4 women a week. I caved finally after years of being single and the red pill worked wonderfully. Had lots of engagement from a lot of women. They went from unwilling to meet me for coffee to inviting me over to their house, cooking me dinner, and fucking me. I didn't have to do anything except exist. It's 100% true. It's just how our psychology works.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:59 PM
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No, 65% aged 18-35 are single. With only 25% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:56 PM
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statistically backed realness
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:55 PM
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https://i.redd.it/robcb3ggida81.jpg What happens is that women do not engage with low percentile men men engage with women linearly according to their attractiveness percentile UNTIL the upper percentiles, where the top women get a lot of messages. So women treat most men as not worth connecting with, and men just treat attractive women as worth spending more time connecting with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:54 PM
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Yes, womens messages received skyrocket as they get into high percentiles. Men shoot their shot. This does not discount the fact that sub 80 percentile men receive virtually 0 messages a week. Rate matters. https://i.redd.it/robcb3ggida81.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:52 PM
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The one issue with this data is that men just shoot their shot at attractive women and it skews the results. When you look at messages received it's quite a different story and the 80 20 rule becomes very clear https://i.redd.it/robcb3ggida81.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:51 PM
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Hmm i'm not so sure about that. Since you're happy he's succeeded at containment. So he's doing almost everything right. Red pill teachings are very passed down generation to generation. He doesn't have to be into manosphere stuff to be red pilled. Describe your husband and I will tell you the red pill teachings he is following. It's no different from a boss managing an employee when you understand the interpersonal mechanics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:02 AM
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I had several women turn their carts around in the supermarket when I was overweight. They'd see me at the other end, panic all over their face after locking eyes, and scurry away. Meanwhile after doing the journey cashiers frequently flirt with me. I've had several fun playful interactions with women. I always catch them eye fucking me. Mid thirties now but in my prime. Every girl from the age of 18 to 60 just stares. The same girls who would run at the sight of me 2 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:01 AM
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They're actually just good at something called containment. Most entry level business team leads learn it implicitly through management teachings. It's a mix of courage, vulnerability, emotional safety, and listening skills. So anyone with leadership training learns it. The issue is that men with people skills are seen as good men. However they learned those people skills to gain power over others, and use it to maintain power. They do it in business and they do it in their personal lives with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:57 PM
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Yes, honest and good people are penalized while inauthentic and predatory people win. Nice guys finish last. Almost every male I knew growing up is red pilled. They all learned it. All the gymbros are just looks based redpillers. And they all get women. Worked for me. Worked for all my friends, even this chronically skinny turbo nerd. And my friends that refuse to accept reality are still single incel virgins. Reality > how we feel. Good people are gone. When you get red pilled you see all the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:53 PM
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In the real world people are treated like a video game. managers are taught containment tactics. They gaslight, manipulate their employees. This happens all in plain sight and those ignorant to it never notice. These successful men go on to also do the same to their women, whom throw themselves at these men. The reason why someone like trump gets away with 'grab her by the pussy' is everyone implicitly understands this dynamic. They all saw women throwing themselves at succesful men. The more su…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:50 PM
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The issue is what the red pill advocates for, most successful men naturally already do and are. So often what happens is women in your position say they got the best husband ever - but he conforms to all red pill pillars and teaching. I've seen it over a hundred times.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:46 PM
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it's only your turn. There's always someone better out there and if you show needy attachment energy you get left because of the implicit power dynamic difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:40 PM
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Unfortunately even a little fat is sub 2. I took years to get a date until it was ALL gone and I was never even that fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:39 PM
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Women I knew for 18 years would gaslight me and say it wasn't my looks and looks didn't matter. I see they were just controlling me and manipulating me to avoid their own shame. They wouldn't date me because I hadn't become chad yet, but they wouldn't tell me. Thats the thing about the red pill, it's so effective at removing the veil and deceit so common in our society. Just be in the business world after being red pilled. My god. So eye opening. Everyone one of my staff managers were all red pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:37 PM
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totally disagree. Was able to get all the advice i needed from fishermen and it worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:33 PM
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the men who agree with you are lying to be nice and avoid conflict. Literally no one believes men and women behave similarly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:31 PM
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There may be exceptions but there certainly are AWALT traits. As there are for men. We have very gendered behaviors when you measure across the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:30 PM
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since 65% of men are single, you are absolutely fucked. There is like 2 things women are not okay with at all. You cannot be ugly or fat, you cannot be weird. Weird and or overweight means sub 2. They compete heavily intrasexually, and care about social heirarchies. Its how it is
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:28 PM
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your overthinking is telling you a sign. You are wrong, TRP is right. It doesn't make sense because you've been gaslight your entire life. Women want to be seduced. They just want to be seduced by a man they are attracted to. They repeatedly go and get themselves seduced by chad and hurt themselves. It's their choice. The best thing you can do is learn how the game is played, find one good one, and get the fuck out of the dating market. This is what every other 'good' man did. You can only save …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:25 PM
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Men implicitly understand that some people build experiences for others and others lean into others experiences. Often men create the environment for women to flourish. Men observe fuckboys creating an obvious fuckboy environment and observe women fall right into it and they just go 'what the fuck'. The game looks absolutely rigged. They just don't understand that fuckboy is at least being honest. Also, women want to sleep with men they're attracted to. It's a win win. When you understand connec…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:21 PM
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they'd be taken out by 30 year olds to bougie restaraunts, then spent $300 at the club, so your low $ effort was offensive. By 20 my step sister had been flown around the world several times. She did modelling for FHM and maxim and playboy. Women have a different experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:51 PM
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But you can see the trend over the population, so while individual selection may vary there is clear attractive and non attractive traits and qualities. When you go deep into black pill enforcing studies, they demonstrate how even eye shape matters. Facial symmetry for instance is huge. If you have a lazy eye or your left side is the good side, well that hugely affects your attraction. We are hard wired to look for these signals of good genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:42 PM
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It's actually very numerical. They measured even how eye shape affects who gets chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:41 PM
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Women set expectation according to their needs in the moment Men don't meet the bar Woman gets mad at the man for meeting her arbitrary and non communicated expectations. That's emotional abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:09 PM
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They don't see seducing women as good. You do because you want to be seduced and romanticized by a hot guy you are into. To these men these aren't the good guys. Because these college fuckboys just learned red pill shit and use it on you and you then think they are good because they make you feel good.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:02 PM
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Most men do not understand emotional abuse. They don't see the manipulation and abuse. Women are very good at twisting words, changing narratives subtly, and gaining power through conversation. You need to as a man, be very skilled at identifying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:59 PM
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Yes, he doesn't know the 'game' pillar. Looks, status, game. No social skills and no knowledge of how to create a romantic environment means no spark. The spark is a combination of desire, lust, and a rush of oxytocin. You can create this as a man by being 1) attractive and 2) knowing how to touch a woman appropriately
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:54 PM
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Going to be real here man. It really really really matters. I was in your position until my early 30s. I had to learn to keep it to myself and get good enough to be passable on my own time. I was outright rejected by several women the moment they learned my history. They went from infatuated to ghost in about 1 minute. I could see their facial expressions, their discomfort. Then they projected how much it damaged our connection with how they reacted to everything I did after that. Anything they …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:49 PM
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literally every man i know in my life does not believe women are at all near where you believe they are. We all see the cluster B traits. We're very astute. We know you struggle with shame. We let you live in your bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:30 PM
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Every man who has dated a woman believes AWALT. Women collectively feel shame and project that shame by trying to gaslight everyone about how they aren't how everyone says they are. Some men conform to your needs like chameleons and others don't. That's the difference. It's called masculine containment. Wake up lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:11 AM
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Very effective actually. Most of the men I grew up with got red pilled 10 years ago and they all found success. While the incels who didn't are still single. Women are actually dating red pillers which is the really really sad part
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 10:03 PM
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Acceptance is the first step that you need to change to meet your goals. The black pill is rapid acceptance. The red pill is acceptance and change.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 10:02 PM
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you are just trying to associate the pills with autism to discredit them. That's just manipulative.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 09:20 PM
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so you were red pilled and it worked, and now are still red pilled and succcesful in a relationship lol? do you see the cognitive dissonance? just me?
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 09:19 PM
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It doesn't matter what people say because we often speak from shame avoidance.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 09:18 PM
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This is shame avoidance behavior from both of you. Women get it really really bad in our society but men avoid it as well. So the topic becomes quickly emotionally charged. Its hard to talk about for you and for her. When they measure brains women and men both respond very positively to eroticism. They have shame behaviors which make them say 'no' they dont like it. But their brains measuredly say otherwise. Unfortunately its really hard to change this dynamic. Its unfair to her if she doesn't w…
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 08:36 PM
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Red pill advocates for game, which is the opposite of hard ass. Did you falsely equate triggering anxious attachment wounds as the red pill? It's far more than that... That's like low social skill low game PUA behavior. You're just more red pilled now that you understand what woman need lol.
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 07:54 PM
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I personally feel that attraction cannot be negotiated. People choose their partners for various reasons. Relevance? Assortative mating is only measured at who we end up with. A snapshot at the finish line does not make a strong arugment against these instincts and the research on hypergamy states this as a consequence of hypergamy. the behavior 'hypergamy' is the proclivity for women to seek to maximize certain attributes, and when their environment does not satisfy those attributes they settle…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:42 PM
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Why thank you!!
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 07:21 PM
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Planets are not relevant. It's controllable because we have identified the traits men and women have that makes them attractive to each other. We know what traits are attractive to men, and what are attractive to women. We know exactly how much each trait matters too. We measured how we mate. There are constraints to how far each individual can tune each attribute, that does not mean it cannot be controlled. It means that it each attribute can only be controlled so much. There are many knobs to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:47 PM
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actually not true, hypergamy is defined as equal or more. There is very tangible evidence that shows women select for traits equal and more, but not lower. You are right that when you measure the finish line, we tend to end up with our equals. This discounts the experience up to the finish line which is the actual lived experience. This forgets all the men who weren't good enough that got discarded. This discounts the irrational reaching for the sky through the dating process only to end up at g…
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 06:39 PM
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You don't understand the red pill. These men aren't worrying about hypergamy, they are stating it as a fact of how men and women mate. Due to conflict avoidance and shame behaviors, often in these sorts of discussions people flip the script and frame it as complaining / whining / attacking women. That is just a fallicious and manipulative way to frame it because they don't want to accept the well measured and well studied truth. This is shame avoidance behaviors. People who deny hypergamy avoid …
/r/ExRedPill06/03/26 06:36 PM
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Attraction can be completely controlled, it's actually very predictable. There is individual variance (preferences) but we have statistically measured what attributes are attractive and exactly how each attribute relates to other attributes. There isn't even much variance across the population, the variance only really exists continentally based off the amount of resources the population had while growing up. The social scientists have measured what is attractive. Go read about it, for instance …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:22 PM
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Competing for men isn't men doing the pushing. That's how women interpret the power dynamic, leading to anxiety, and they perform. This power dynamic is enforced by women whom only choose top men genetically and near the top of the social hierarchy. This is just how attraction works. It is no ones fault. Women create scarcity among unattractive males, giving them power. Then they get upset that those with power (attractive and successful men) don't give it up easily. Women are unhappy at the sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:39 PM
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That sounds a bit like womanese. Men aren't responsible for the emotions and desire of women. It's not mens fault that women want men. It's not chads fault that he has dozens of women pining to just get fucked by him. They don't even care that they get discarded - thats why they stay in situationships. They have ZERO self awareness, ZERO self worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:49 PM
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Women acting and looking sexy is also well measured as part of INTRAsexual competition, i.e. competition between women for mates. Men hardly do the pushing here, other women feeling the difference in desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:00 AM
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Women cater to chad. Most women I know were in 'situationships' and got hurt. Chad knows he can just plow a bunch of women because chad has 10 women at his finger tips on instagram, who are all thirsting for him to invite them over. My cousin was sleeping with reportedly 3 girls a week and I believe him. We went to the bougiest place in town and the hot 10 hostess asked me if I knew him. I had the same experience when I became chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:58 AM
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Huh? No one is arguing women should be attracted to less attractive men. The entire red pill is looks status and game, which appeals to the 3 largest R factors that measuredly dictate the largest portion of womens attraction to men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:56 AM
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It's shame projection. They know they are misbehaving, so get angry. You need to be a leader and help them get past their shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:27 PM
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