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Mojo_666 · 2016-08-24T14:14:39+00:00

Of course, but the woman will get the house/kids regardless of who's fault it is in 90% of cases.

victor_knight · 2016-08-24T14:23:36+00:00

Ever heard of no-fault divorce?

DigitalScetis · 2016-08-24T15:53:22+00:00

Certainly. There are many reasons why a man's actions might cause a marriage to fail. If he spends all of the household money on drugs, leaving his wife and children to starve, and has the bank foreclose the house, I don't blame the wife one bit for wanting to get out of that.

When the man regularly comes home drunk and starts to beat on his kids to the point where the wife is making excuses to the social worker every time at school that they "fell down" at the playground, then yes, the man ought not complain when the wife files for divorce.

This kind of stuff was not uncommon in my grandfather's generation. Interestingly enough, however, those wives that often had the most cause to file for divorce back then didn't do so. It wasn't for a lack of resources. It wasn't for reasons of societal shame either.

Even the local parish in the days before Vatican II would not put up with a bad husband. While they wouldn't advise divorce, if the Church knew about what went on, they would send a deacon with a few Knights of Columbus to the home to deal with the husband, remove the wife and kids, put the wife and kids up at diocese expense at some place he didn't know about, and tell the husband that he'll never see them again and never receive any sacraments until he got himself in counselling, got himself sober, and got himself a job.

So yes, there are times when it's the "man's fault" that a divorce happens. And the times that I see when this is most apparent is when the wife, despite the faults of the man, is so desperate to hold onto the marriage, she needs months (if not years) of convincing to actually file.

Why? Because she takes marriage vows seriously, especially the parts "for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do us part."

Now back when that vow was taken seriously (and nobody really does take it seriously these days), filing for a divorce revealed the moral failings of both parties. It wasn't just the moral failing of the one "at fault," but the moral failing of the one "not at fault" for having a love so weak that he or she couldn't keep the "for better or worse" pledge. Marriage, as was customary, was never about guaranteeing "happily ever after"; it was about putting one's "money where your mouth is" about the power of your love to overcome all misfortunes.

But those days are pretty much over. The words "I love you" don't mean much beyond "I love how you make me feel today." And while so many people say, at their weddings, "for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do us part." They actually mean this:

"for better ~~or for worse~~, for richer, ~~for poorer, in sickness and~~ in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until ~~death~~ do us part."

By that criteria, of course women are going to divorce men for their various "faults" that arise. But what does that really prove, other than the woman's love is too weak, and her hypergamy and solipsism too strong, to overlook such faults?

mrp_1844 · 2016-08-24T16:20:08+00:00

Blue pill behavior can cause a women to divorce.

lonewolf-chicago · 2016-08-24T18:08:55+00:00

Like Mojo and Digital have said.... but victor-knight also points out. The courts don't care about fault because Divorce was taking up too many resources of the government (see Kramer vs Kramer the movie).

Anyone can be at fault... the point of view we have here is that it doesn't matter who's fault it is - the benefit goes to the woman even when their behavior is egregious... The man gets ass raped out of his money, kids, and reputation.

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Title	Have a question
Author	AMR2802
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Date	August 24, 2016 1:59 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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